Pollstar Hotstar

Steve Aoki

Joe Reinartz — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:01:00 GMT

Steve Aoki has been a star of electronic music for nearly two decades – so why would we put him on our cover now?

Because his debut album just came out. And because he’s embarking on the biggest tour of his career.

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With the launch of Wonderland, Aoki transitions from a successful DJ, label owner, producer and promoter to a true man of the open road. Yes, Aoki has hosted his popular weekly Dim Mak nights in Hollywood, and he’ll draw 150,000 to the stage at Electric Daisy – it’s just that now he’s on tour nonstop through May and this time the rooms are larger, by a mile. The tour has already done 7,000 at Bill Graham Civic Auditorium. There’s also Boston’s House of Blues, the Fillmores, Roseland Ballroom in New York, The Tabernacle in Atlanta and wraps with two nights at the 4,000-cap room at the MGM Grand at Foxwoods in Mashantucket, Conn.

Aoki, as a producer and owner of Dim Mak Records, has dropped more than 250 releases and helped break bands like Bloc Party, Klaxons and The Gossip. He’s collaborated with artists like Will.i.am. His Dim Mak shows over the last decade have introduced the U.S. to acts like Lady Gaga, Ke$ha, Skrillex, Kid Cudi and Kaiser Chiefs. When he was a student at UC Santa Barbara, he booked acts like The Rapture, !!!, Jimmy Eat World and At The Drive-In at his Pickle Patch bash.

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Now, with his first full-length, he’s tapped relationships he’s culled over the years. Wonderland features the likes of Kid Cudi, Travis Barker, LMFAO and Lil Jon. It reimagines club hits like “Deadmeat” while introducing singles like “Earthquakey People” with Rivers Cuomo – whom he met at a secret show in college.

Aoki is also known as the son of Rocky Aoki, founder of restaurant chain Benihana and his half-sister is model Devon Aoki.

Gary Clark Jr.

Joe Reinartz — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:01:00 GMT

Sometimes things don't go as planned. Yes, everybody agrees that by the end of 2012, you will know Gary Clark Jr. by name. That's always been the plan. But it's been tough to keep the rollout on the pre-agreed pace.

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His album isn't even out yet. But he did release a four-song EP called Bright Lights in August. That EP has already made history. Rolling Stone, for the first time ever, gave an EP a featured review, with four stars. Throughout the review, and others, it is intimated that Clark is the long-awaited heir to the Texas blues throne, picking up the mantle of Stevie Ray and Jimmie Vaughan. He's gained the respect of ?uestlove and Alicia Keys, been compared to legendary six-stringers and clearly has the attention of every big promoter in the country.

So what exactly is in store for him?

"Honestly, I’m not quite sure," Clark told Pollstar. "The album should come out in the spring, maybe a little bit later. Basically, just hit the road and be touring for a good chunk of the year. That’s what I’ve been told but you know as much as I do."

Also, it should be noted that he's pretty modest. And, as mentioned by one of his agents, Seth Seigle, he's just cool.

"It's so rewarding to work with someone who's just a great person," Seigle said. "That makes it more fun than anything else. You root for people like that."

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Clark was introduced to the national scene via an impressive set at Eric Clapton's Crossroads festival at Chicago's Toyota Park in 2010. The song "Bright Lights," with Doyle Bramhall II playing rhythm, can be seen on YouTube. Although he'd toured, the moment took him out of Antone's in Austin and into the arms of Warner Bros., which has been prepping him for a major launch in about April. And the team at William Morris Endeavor is ready to take him all over the world.

But he's already there, in a way.

"As far back as August, we did a Gary Clark connect-the-dots tour and every show sold out," Seigle said. "He's really a truly talented artist and a great case of word-of-mouth."

The Script

Tina Amendola — Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:01:00 GMT

When Dublin, Ireland’s The Script played a July 2 homecoming show at the city’s 50,000-capacity Aviva Stadium, it was to a sold-out crowd that couldn’t wait for the band to take the stage. It was just one of many high points in this band’s career so far.

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Frontman/keyboardist Danny O’Donoghue, guitarist Mark Sheehan and drummer Glen Power have been busy since releasing The Script’s 2008 self-titled debut that includes hits “We Cry,” “The Man Who Can’t Be Moved” and “Breakeven.”

The single “For the First Time” from its sophomore release, Science & Faith, earned an RIAA platinum certification last summer.

And prior to launching The Script, O’Donoghue and Sheehan worked in the U.S. writing and producing for artists including Dallas Austin, Teddy Riley and The Neptunes.

The band has since gone from performing at small clubs to festivals and stadiums, opening for Paul McCartney, U2, Adele and others.

That diligence continues to pay off, says Creative Artists Agency’s Matthew Morgan, who co-reps the band with Jeff Frasco.

“They’re not trying to be too hip but they’re definitely on the hip side of the pop spectrum. I kind of view them as a Coldplay-in-waiting,” Morgan told Pollstar. “Obviously, they’ve got credentials all day long from the McCartney endorsement to the U2 endorsement.

“Danny and Mark [are smart] in how they approach their fans, how much media content they provide everybody. They’re constantly filming backstage and putting up webisodes [and] taking pictures. They’ve done a whole lot of work in a relatively short time.”

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The Script wrapped its latest tour behind Science & Faith in December and is working on its next album. Plans for a U.S. fall tour are in the works.

Kina Grannis

Joe Reinartz — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:01:00 GMT

This article went eight whole words without mentioning jellybeans.

Kina Grannis recently elevated her media attention with the release of a music video that took nearly two years to make – a stop-action film epic, made with 288,000 jellybeans, that quickly went viral and landed her an interview on “Ellen” within days. So, not only has Grannis had to endure nearly 1,300 hours of filming the video, she followed it up with lots of talking about it.

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So we were happy to tell her we wanted to talk about touring instead.

“That is all right by me!” Grannis told Pollstar.

The 26-year-old first made a splash during the 2008 Super Bowl, when she was voted a “Doritos Crash The Super Bowl” finalist and a video for her “Message From Your Heart” was played on a commercial. She also was signed to Interscope and got her song on iTunes. Unfortunately, the Interscope deal didn’t work out but nobody seems to mind.

For one thing, through touring and fan interaction – and not jellybeans – she’s gained nearly 500,000 subscribers to her YouTube channel. And Grannis agreed with others in her camp that she maintains a genuine relationship with those followers.

“For me, touring has been really special because, for my entire career, it’s all been oriented around people who’ve been supporting me online,” she said. “They’ve gotten me through every single step of the way, so when I’m finally touring, it’s like this connection we’ve had for years and I finally get to thank them face-to-face.”

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So far, only the U.K. is on the books for 2012, but it’s clear next year will be about the road. It’s just a matter of when the dates are announced.

“We’re doing Europe in February, then Asia and Australia after that,” Grannis said. “Then we’re definitely coming back to the States at some point. So, we’re planning on a lot but not sure what that is at the moment.”

Big Time Rush

Dana Parker-McClain — Fri, 09 Dec 2011 08:01:00 GMT

Big Time Rush already has a TV show on Nickelodeon that averages 4.1 million viewers per episode, a Gold-certified debut album and notable tween fans like the Obama daughters.

So it was no surprise that the boy band, which consists of members Kendall Schmidt, James Maslow, Carlos Pena, Jr. and Logan Henderson, would see more success with the recent release of Elevate and the announcement of a theater tour in 2012.

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The outing sold out quickly in major markets, but it won’t be the end of BTR’s time on the road next year.

Manager Bret Disend of Ozone Entertainment told Pollstar a summer tour is also in the works for “the hardest-working guys in show business,” along with plans to film the next season of their show and play dates in Europe.

While BTR played some one-off supports for Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber this year, Disend said the band has been headlining from the beginning.

A successful run of fair dates this summer caught the attention of Irving Azoff and AGPS’ Jared Paul, who manages New Kids On The Block and has produced tours for TV shows including “Dancing With The Stars” and “Glee.” They stepped in to help develop a strategy with CAA’s Andrew Simon, Columbia and Nickelodeon to bring the group into the mainstream of the touring business.

But how exactly do they plan to do it?

Perhaps one answer lies in making the concerts accessible to parents of tween BTR fans who grew up with boy bands of their own.

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“When I went to see Big Time Rush this summer in Columbus, Ohio, I saw an entire row of New Kids moms with their kids,” Paul told Pollstar. “They literally wore their NKOTB concert T-shirts … with their kids who were wearing Big Time Rush T-shirts.”

City and Colour

Joe Reinartz — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:01:00 GMT

Singer/Songwriter Dallas Green is a study in stealth. The numbers he’s putting up are impressive, and yet there is a lack of media coverage. So far, no late-night television appearances. The daily papers are bypassing concert reviews. Many promoters still have only an inkling as to who this guy is.

But not all promoters. Goldenvoice knows who he is. So do C3 and Jam, and many inside Live Nation. That’s because Green makes for a successful visit.

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Dallas Green originally was uncomfortable putting out an album with his name on it, so he used a cheeky play on his name, City and Colour, for his 2005 debut, Sometimes. Green was already known as the singer and guitarist for vastly popular Canadian outfit Alexisonfire, but his solo music was nothing like the hardcore punk rock of his band.

“You have to go in with an open mind and realize this is the music he grew up on,” agent Rob Zifarelli told Pollstar. “If you approach it that way you’ll come around to it easier.”

Zifarelli listed off some impressive 2011 highlights, noting that Green has a tendency to outperform promoters’ expectations. In St. Louis, his show was upgraded from Blueberry Hill to The Pageant. In Nashville, he moved from Mercy Lounge to The Cannery. In San Francisco, one show at the Fillmore became two. The same went for Philadelphia. And in Boston, Green’s House of Blues show went from a small configuration to a full capacity of 2,425.

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Because City and Colour’s management has not pressured Zifarelli to “grind” for better deals up front, he’s been able to do better deals on the back end.

“I was in a comfortable position in most cases to not have to make the promoters feel they had a large risk with a giant guarantee, and in turn was able to move the offers into ‘versus deals,’” he said. “We reduced the risk to the promoter by taking less money up front in return for a strong share on the overall profits. It was a win-win.”

Portugal. The Man

Ryan Borba — Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:01:00 GMT

Portugal. The Man has played more than 800 shows in about five years, with little sign of slowing down. The band also releases an album per year like clockwork and hits Europe and Australia regularly.

“I don’t know a lot of bands who work like that year-round,” High Road Touring’s Matt Hickey, who began booking the band in 2009, told Pollstar.

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And the work is paying off. The Portland, Ore.-based (but Alaska-born) psych-pop band just wrapped up a North America headline tour that included sold-out dates at New York City’s Terminal 5 as well as in Los Angeles, Chicago and Boston.

The band’s appeal is not limited to the major markets, either, Hickey said.

“Unlike a lot of bands that can play, maybe, 10 or 15 markets, Portugal. The Man can probably do 40 or 50 in America,” Hickey said. “I mean, they can do 1,000 people in San Antonio.” Headline stops in 2012 will include 1,000- to 2,500-capacity shows in secondary markets such as New Orleans, Tallahassee and Athens.

The recipe for success has been textbook artist development and a great team, Hickey said, with manager Rich Holtzman of TAO-The Artists Organization having the long-term vision for the band from the start.

Milestones for PTM include a 2009 radio hit with “People Say,” along with well- timed Bonnaroo and Coachella appearances. These have added momentum to the growth the band had been building all along, Hickey said. “It’s not just one show or record, but those are nice flags in the sand that kind of add to the overall big picture.”

Another first for the band is signing with Atlantic for its latest release, In The Mountain In The Cloud, having previously been on indie labels.

“They went looking for a partner with this record that can kind of help them continue to be Portugal. The Man and reach a larger audience,” Hickey said, adding that it’s been a good fit.

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The plan is to continue to play to new audiences, with the band currently doing 500- to 1,000-capacity clubs in Europe, then hitting Australia and Asia at the beginning of the year before doing secondary U.S. markets in the spring.

From there, they’ll do select festival appearances and possibly a bigger headline tour in the summer or fall.

J. Cole

Dana Parker-McClain — Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:01:00 GMT

There aren’t many rappers out there with the bravado to name-check icons like Martin Luther King Jr. and Mozart, but J. Cole isn’t like other rappers.

Cole has been called “brainier than most MCs” by Rolling Stone and there’s good reason for it; his music combines a street sensibility, intelligent rhymes and a slice of social consciousness.

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After attending NYC’s St. John’s University on academic scholarship, Cole, who’d been rapping and posting songs online since he was a teen, caught the ear of Jay-Z and his Roc Nation label with a mixtape.

Two years later Cole’s mixtapes, along with college tours and support slots for Jay-Z, Drake and Rihanna, set him up for a successful solo club and theatre run this fall.

ICM agent Robert Gibbs told Pollstar one of the most impressive things about J. Cole is how quickly his dates have sold out – even before Cole’s debut album Cole World: The Sideline Story dropped in September.

“When we put the tour dates up, there was nothing happening at radio,” Gibbs said. “This is all built on his artist development and touring over the past couple years, playing the colleges, playing the small clubs and staying connected with his fans virally.”

He credits J. Cole’s management team at Bystorm Entertainment, Cole’s company Dreamville and tour consultant Shawn Gee with leading the charge to develop Cole’s fan base, which already stretches over to the U.K. and Europe where Cole is currently touring.

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Cole will play 155 shows by year’s end, Gibbs said, before taking a couple months off to record a new album. Discussions are under way for another college tour and large theatre run in 2012.

Pretty Lights

Deborah Speer — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 07:01:00 GMT

Derek Smith, better known as electronic artist Pretty Lights, dropped out of the University of Colorado at Boulder his freshman year to concentrate on writing and producing music. Before long, he was headlining his own club tour and supporting acts like Big Boi, The Glitch Mob, and STS9.

By 2009, Pretty Lights was quickly becoming the talk of such major festivals as Bonnaroo, Rothbury and Electric Daisy Carnival, and touring smaller venues as a headlining performer.

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At one of those stops, in Knoxville, Tenn., he met Progressive Global Agency’s Hunter Williams, who had become a fan based on what he’d heard online – music that Pretty Lights doesn’t sell, but gives away.

“I knew I had to go see this guy,” Williams told Pollstar. “I went to the World Grotto with like 200, 250 kids and it blew my mind what he was doing. I sent him a proposal and we started working together.”

Pretty Lights isn’t like most artists that usually grace our cover, nor is he even like most artists in the electronic genre. He’s building a culture among his fan base, Williams says, by giving away all of his music, presenting all original production, writing one-night-only tracks and keeping ticket prices extremely accessible.

“In touring, he brings top-notch, next-level production whether it’s tours or festivals,” Williams said. “Every gig we play, we bring our own production. It sets him apart. We’re always working on creating new content for video and keeping it above par.

“He creates unique tracks for special shows. For our Halloween show he produced a track just for that date. He did a remix of ‘Final Countdown’ for New Year’s Eve. You can expect to hear something pretty special if you come to one of our shows. A DJ group can go out and play a different set every night and that’s one thing, but everything he does is original and it’s a little tougher to achieve that.”

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Pretty Lights is touring Australia in November and he’ll ring out 2011 with two shows at the 1stBank Center in Broomfield, Colo. A new recording is in the works, followed by an extensive tour next year.

Selena Gomez

Tina Amendola — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:01:00 GMT

Creative Artists Agency’s David Zedeck and Andrew Simon know first-hand that Disney Channel star Selena Gomez is a talented young woman with a vision. When she wanted to expand her singing career, she formed Selena Gomez & The Scene in 2009 and everything fell into place.

“She probably could have taken the easy way out … and put out a solo record, but [the band] was her idea,” Zedeck told Pollstar. “She was going against conventional wisdom, so to speak, in sharing the spotlight. She had a vision of what her music career should be like.”

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Scheduling a tour around Gomez’s busy schedule was challenging but gave the band time to get comfortable.

“In the beginning, she was shooting five days a week, so … we were only able to fill occasional weekends,” Simon told Pollstar. “The other thing David and I did was to really make sure we put her … in a safe environment [where] she could nurture her talent and the band could really grow.”

Gomez, drummer Greg Carman, bassist Joey Clement, guitarist Ethan Roberts and Dane Forrest on keyboards built a fan base playing venues large and small and festivals throughout the U.S. and Canada, delivering a high-energy, family-friendly show.

And families who know Gomez from the Disney Channel’s “Wizards of Waverly Place,” her movies and other projects are part of the band’s sold-out crowds.

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“We’re fortunate to [work with] a management team that is cognizant of [ticket prices]. They remember when they took their kids to shows, what sacrifices they made and how long they had to save,” Zedeck said. “We’re able to have a range of ticket prices that are, hopefully, affordable to everyone.”

The Ready Set

Ryan Borba — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:01:00 GMT

Things are moving quickly for The Ready Set, which tends to happen when a debut single goes platinum.

“We did Warped Tour in the spring, headlined the ‘Glamour Kills’ world tour, which sold out basically every room it went into, we’re [supporting] All Time Low in the fall, then headlining for two weeks right before Christmas. And the record comes out next year,” Paradigm’s Mike Marquis told Pollstar.

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The Ready Set is singer/songwriter Jordan Witzigreuter, who in 2009 self-recorded and released an album of heartfelt pop from his parents’ Fort Wayne, Ind., basement called Tantrum Castle.

It didn’t take long to be noticed, and Fall Out Boy’s Pete Wentz signed him to his Decaydance Records shortly thereafter. Wentz was such a fan that he makes an appearance in the video for The Ready Set’s first single, “Love Like Woe,” which hit No. 15 on the U.S. Top 40 charts.

“The first tour he ever did was with Boys Like Girls, and we tried to maintain that higher-profile look for him from the beginning,” Marquis said. “He didn’t really do a ton of smaller tours to kind of build up. We positioned him to come out strong.”

At the end of October The Ready Set will be doing large clubs supporting All Time Low on the East Coast and South, including two House of Blues. From there he will headline clubs including Toad’s Place in New Haven, Conn., through most of December.

Details are still being worked out for spring 2012 after the new album drops, but it helps when a client likes being on the road.

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“He wants to go out and play clubs and connect with fans and hang out with them and show them that he’s the real deal,” Marquis said. “And he wants to have a career, which is awesome, and makes our life a lot easier.

“2012 is going to be big for him. I think he’s going to prove that he’s a real talent next year.”

AWOLNATION

Tina Amendola — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:01:00 GMT

When Aaron Bruno formed AWOLNATION two years ago, it was at a time when his experience with the music industry had been deflating and his career uncertain.

His previous bands, Home Town Hero and Under the Influence of Giants, had some success but circumstances led to both acts disbanding.

That’s when Bruno moved out of his comfort zone to go solo and everything changed. The songs he’d been writing found their place and the public responded.

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APA’s Corrie Christopher, along with manager Berko Pearce of RM 64 Media, were already aware of Bruno’s talent through previous projects.

“When Aaron was between bands deciding what his next project would be, I told him I was there regardless because I believe in him,” Christopher told Pollstar. “I knew that whatever it was he was going to put together, I wanted to be a part of it.”

AWOLNATION’s debut, Megalithic Symphony, dropped in March and its first single, “Sail,” became a hit shortly after. Headlining, support slots with Young The Giant and Fitz & The Tantrums and performances at South By Southwest, Austin City Limits and “Jimmy Kimmel Live” added to the buzz.

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But Christopher said it’s AWOLNATION’s live shows that are bringing in sold-out crowds along the way.

“I think a lot of people are surprised when they see them live. They hear the single, and there’s so much more to the record, but when they see the band, it’s so much more powerful, engaging and intense. It usually blows people away,” she said.

Bruno, guitarist Christopher Thorn, Kenny Carkeet on keyboard, drummer Hayden Scott and bassist Dave Amezcua will be on the road through mid-December.

Young The Giant

Joe Reinartz — Fri, 07 Oct 2011 07:01:00 GMT

Morrissey appears to like Young The Giant.

“I could break down with happiness at the new debut CD by Young The Giant,” he wrote on a fanzine website. He gushed about Sameer Gadhia’s vocals, said the album had “a perfect tone” and dropped a few more accolades before putting a fine point on it: “Every three thousand years, a band comes along who restore that precious component of faith.”

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The eponymous disc has also been called a pop masterpiece by the Wall Street Journal, and USA Today said single “My Body” was an alt-rock anthem.

But Young The Giant has also made advances from its energetic live shows. C3 Presents put the band on the Lollapalooza mainstage and MTV producers added them to the Video Music Awards show after seeing a performance. They’ve performed to the main crowd at Austin City Limits festival, and at Music Midtown, Australia’s Splendour In The Grass and Netherlands’ Lowlands, among others.

“At a time when there is so much music, it’s good to see phenomenal music find its way to people and get recognized,” Paradigm’s Jeffrey Hasson told Pollstar. “It’s great having a band that can translate it live in a way that enhances the experience, and that’s been proven through ticket sales.”

The band has built its audience from touring for the past two years, Hasson noted. Paradigm has slotted them with Minus the Bear, The Futureheads, Marina & The Diamonds and Steel Train, among others.

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“The Austin headline show at Emo’s sold out 300 tickets a month out, so we put it outside and we end up selling out 1,000 tickets,” Hasson said. “Those victories started happening in multiple places. Slim’s in San Francisco sold out two weeks in advance – and that’s when one of the MTV producers saw the vibe and wanted them on the show. They saw the interaction the fans give, and how into it they are. I think that interaction is what the story is about.”

Jessica Lea Mayfield

Joe Reinartz — Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:01:00 GMT

Jessica Lea Mayfield, a spry, young songwriter most often associated with Americana, has supported Justin Townes Earle, The Avett Brothers, Band of Horses, Ray LaMontagne and the producer of her records, The Black Keys’ Dan Auerbach.

She’s already sold out the Troubadour in Los Angeles and, in markets like Seattle where radio stations like KEXP have embraced her music, she has hit the mid-sized venues.

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All this from a woman barely in her 20s. She was 15 when her breakup songs recorded in her brother’s bedroom and distributed on 100 CDs grabbed the attention of Auerbach, a fellow Ohio native. They got together and recorded 2008’s With Blasphemy So Heartfelt, which Pitchfork rated highly.

“It was at that stage when I met her through Dan,” manager Jody White told Pollstar. “I thought it was amazing. I went up to Ohio before that Christmas and saw her open for The Black Keys. I was mesmerized.”

Since then, it’s been nonstop touring, supporting Tell Me, on Nonesuch.

“She’s so young and enjoys being out and playing shows at this stage. … It’s really about these offers coming up and me saying, ‘Jessica, hey, do you want to go do this tour?’ and her saying, ‘OK, sure.’” White said. “This year’s been a combination of things: the record release, hitting the major markets, South by Southwest and a handful of spot dates, and supporting the right bands that have been offered to her.”

She’s also visited the big festivals like Bonnaroo and will be at San Francisco’s massive Hardly Strictly Bluegrass at the end of September.

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“She’s now poised to really break through with her next record and start moving into the 1,000-cap rooms,” White said. “When will she get a break? Probably starting the middle of December. After that she won’t be touring for quite a while. She’ll be writing and working on her new record.”

Bon Iver

Sarah Marie Pittman — Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:01:00 GMT

The first time Adam Voith of The Billions Corporation saw Bon Iver live, the indie folk band’s frontman Justin Vernon was accompanied by a barf bucket.

Voith told Pollstar the show “was in a really shitty pizza place in Bloomington, Ind. He was sick with the flu and was throwing up all day so he only played four songs, with a bucket next to him on stage for ‘insurance purposes.’ There were probably 30 people in the room.”

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The show still managed to charm the agent.

“The four songs were totally great,” Voith said. “I was really impressed.”

Vernon wrote and recorded the songs that would become Bon Iver’s debut album, For Emma, Forever Ago, in his father’s hunting cabin in Wisconsin after parting ways with his band DeYarmond Edison as well as his girlfriend.

He self-released the album in 2007, which earned glowing reviews from several music blogs and spots on numerous publications’ year end “best of” lists. The album was re-released in 2008 through Jagjaguwar.

Bon Iver’s songs were reinvented for the stage and the live show has since grown to a nine-piece band. The group released its self-titled sophomore album in June.

Although the band will continue performing with nine members for this record cycle, after that the lineup won’t necessarily stay the same.

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“I think Justin wants Bon Iver to be a project that isn’t defined by what the band makeup is,” Voith said. “I think it’s imperative, in both a live setting, and as far as I know, a recording and writing scenario, that the project is boundary-less.”

Bon Iver has U.S. dates booked through late September followed by a European tour that begins in early October.

“I think we’re going to tour all of next year as well on the same record,” Voith said. “There’s definitely a lot of room to let it keep growing.”