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My Date With Ticketmaster

Posted on Monday March 2, 2009 at 05:30 PM 42 |

There’s been a lot of griping and cussing from fans lately about the difficulty of trying to buy tickets for a show through Ticketmaster. So in the interest of journalism (and because I’m a huge Leonard Cohen fan), I tried to do just that myself this morning.

And guess what? I’m pretty sure I had the same experience that’s been enraging people all over the country.

The show I wanted to take in is April 13 at The Paramount Theatre in Oakland, Calif., and tickets went on sale today at 10:00 a.m. PST.

You’ll notice I said wanted. I won’t be seeing Leonard at The Paramount Theatre. Unless, of course, I want to pay a lot more than face value for the tickets. But I’m getting ahead of myself.

Here’s a minute-by-minute account of how my attempt to buy tickets went down.

10:00 a.m.: I cruise over to Ticketmaster.com and type in Leonard Cohen. I click on the Oakland show, ready to score my prime seats. Looks like I jumped the gun though, because tickets aren’t available yet.

10:01 a.m.: I navigate back to the homepage, type in Leonard Cohen again and hit enter. Select the Oakland show again. Bingo! I ask for two seats at any price with the best available section and location option.

I type in the captcha and we’re in business. Waiting, waiting, waiting. Score! Two seats. Where? Balcony Row D, Seats 1 and 3, priced at $129.50 each (plus service charges of course, but that’s a discussion we’ll have some other time).

Wait a minute! You’re telling me that one minute after tickets went on sale, the best seats available are in Row D of the balcony? Uh huh.

I’ve learned from experience that sometimes if you hit the “search again link” you can come up with better seats. So right away, I try it. Big mistake.

10:03 a.m.: I hit the “search again” link. Waiting, waiting, waiting. What do you think I see next? You guessed it. “Sorry, no exact matches were found, but other tickets may still be available.” That’s Ticketmaster-speak for sold-out. Curses!

To ease my pain the nice people at Ticketmaster have helpfully provided a link for Ticket Exchange Marketplace, where I can buy tickets from someone who was lucky enough to get tickets, but in the space of three minutes, has decided they don’t want them anymore. How thoughtful.

I resist the temptation to see just what I’ll now have to fork over if I want to see Leonard in the Bay Area. After about 8 minutes, the pressure is too much and I cave. Sooo…

10:12 a.m.: I click the link for Ticket Exchange Marketplace, where I see there are now 65 people selling tickets for the Oakland show at a significant markup. The top price, for Orchestra seats, is around $800 for two tickets. Wow. That was fast.

Now I’m a devoted Leonard Cohen fan. I realize he doesn’t tour very often and this is probably the last time he’ll do a tour of this scale. I was even prepared to pay $251 for Orchestra seats. After all, we’re talking about a living legend.

There is no way, however, that I can justify forking out $400 a ticket. Especially not in this economy. I’m not saying I couldn’t afford it; I can - although it would mean sacrifices. (Eating is overrated anyway.)

What I’m saying is when I weigh the merits of blowing that kind of money for something like this, they don’t add up. (Plus if my parents ever found out, I’d never hear the end of it – some things never change.)

I love all types of music, which means I’ve seen plenty of shows over the years. Heck, I’ve even purchased the majority of my tickets through Ticketmaster. I’m sure I’m dating myself here, but I remember camping out in front of a record store to score choice seats when tickets went on sale. Ah, the good old days.

But things change, and when it became possible to buy tickets online, I adapted and started buying them that way.

Admittedly, a lot of the bands I make it a point to see aren’t the ones whose tickets sell out in a matter of minutes. That’s probably why I’ve never had this experience with Ticketmaster before.

Of course, I also haven’t gone to that many shows since Ticketmaster went into the business of secondary ticketing. I’m sure there are plenty of people inside the industry who would argue that there’s no connection between this and not being able to get tickets. I’m just not one of them.

(Update: As of 2:30 p.m. PST, Orchestra seats at The Oakland Theatre were topping out at $1254.02 on Ticket Exchange. Guess I should have jumped on them when they were only $400 each.)

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  1. 103
    hairbandfan23 wrote:

    05:51 PM, Mar 02, 2009

    Oh, camping out to get tickets, those really were the good ole days. Can we get back to that?

    Sorry to hear about your ticket experience, but ticketmaster sucks and they are blood sucking thieves that steal your money, however there is no way around it. It's really is the root of all ticket evil, but if you want to see a concert, you have to pay the thieves to see your band.

  2. 2
    TicketAlternative wrote:

    06:12 PM, Mar 02, 2009

    Jim

    Here's some tips and an perhaps a better explanatin of what happened.

    To begin with, your PC probably wasn't set to exactly the same time as the Ticketmaster server. So at 10am on your PC it may have only been 9:59:59am on Ticketmaster's servers.

    Tip 1 - You should have just refreshed the Leonard Cohen / Paramount Theater event page.- - You wasted valuable seconds navigating back to the home page, through the search pages and then back to the event page.

    At the same time you were looking for tickets, so were a couple of thousand other customers. Lets assume that the Paramount Theater holds 3000 people and that all 3000 seats were available for sale at 10am

    If you assume that most people wanted to go with a friend to the show, that means there were 1500 people that were going to be successful in purchasing 2 tickets each.

    At exactly 10:00am on Ticketmaster's servers, 2000 people refreshed the page and asked for the best 2 seats available. 1500 people got 2 tickets each and 500 people saw 'no tickets remain, try another section or price range'

    That whole process took less than 5 seconds. In 5 seconds 1500 people got what they wanted and everyone else got shut out.

    You were offered 2 seats in Balcony Row D, but in a split second you decided they weren't good enough and so put them back in the pool. Seconds later someone who had tried again and was offered those tickets. Knowing they had been shut out the first time, they immediately took thosetickets  and completed their purchase.

    And thus, is a matter of seconds many of the people trying to get tickets for that show succeeded while many others, including you, didn't.

    Tip 2 - what you should have done was try and try and try again. For at least another 20 minutes. You see, one of those customers put 2 tickets in their cart and started to complete their order. Ticketmaster gave them 3 minutes to complete their purchase.

    Tip 3 - Create an account in advance and make sure you're already logged in.

    Those who had been successful in obtaining tickets entered their billing information and clicked submit - BOOM!! Credit Card Declined! They frantically searched for another card. BOOM!! Declined also (shut out by the credit crunch)

    So they gave up. 1 minute later, those 2 tickets were returned to the pool.

    That means that at 10:04am tickets were once available again. But you had given up at 10:03am !! Doh!

    The same thing might have happened to a couple of other customers too. What about the customer who puts tickets in their basket at 10:03am? His card is declined and his tickets get put back into the pool at 10:08am

    Many people like you give up at the first try, when in fact you should keep trying again and again. With declined cards, changed minds and other distractions even a small show can take 15-20 minutes to truly sell out.

    Ticketmaster's system can sell over 10k tickets per minute. As with most Leonard Cohen shows, I'm sure, there were more people looking for tickets than there were tickets available.

    So, 1 minute after tickets went on sale is a long time in ticket buying land. It only takes seconds to put tickets in your shopping cart. You lost valuable seconds navigating away from the page.

    It used to be a bit easier to get good seats to hot shows, because you had to get out of bed an trudge down to the local Turtles and stand in line. Not everyone wanted to do that on a Saturday morning. Nowadays with the internet, its easy to try and buy tickets online while still in bed, so everyone's trying.

    Next time  - be prepared!

    1. Make sure you're already on the event page.

    2. Make sure you've already created an account and are logged in.

    3. Have your credit card handy

    4. Keep refreshing the page until tickets become available for purchase.

    5. Decide ahead of time which seats you're willing to take. Don't decide on the fly.

    6. Even if you get bad seats, you can always sell them!

  3. 103
    agentalbert wrote:

    06:31 PM, Mar 02, 2009

    I think the bands should require that TM put all tickets on sale at the advertised time. Instead, they hold back good seats trying to get devoted fans who HAVE to have a ticket to settle for subpar seats. Then they release the better tickets later. But do they always do this? And when do they release them? We don't know. Maybe they won't, so if you need to go to a show you have to either settle for something you don't want or risk not going at all.

    I don't want to return to the days of camping out in front of record stores. I like buying online, but I think the process needs MUCH more transparency.

  4. 249
    HSLono wrote:

    09:03 PM, Mar 02, 2009

    Don't buy tickets often, I take it? This experience is typical for in-demand shows and has been for years.

  5. 8
    Chingower wrote:

    09:54 PM, Mar 02, 2009

    I too remember camping out for tickets to Lollapalooza (in the 90's), Green Day, Smashing Pumpkins, Beastie Boys, and even Jane's Addiction.  It was so much easier back then and everyone you were in line with were die-hard fans as well that you could talk with all night while you waited for the next morning, and not every other person was there just to make a quick, easy buck.  These days has become about money ,and how much we can make.  All this cost money...it was one thing for the sur-charges in the beginning, but now, there's online ticketing, service fees, printing fees, all that crap.... everyone has to get their piece of pie first before lil-old you gets yours.   Sad.

  6. 1
    pekoe wrote:

    12:32 AM, Mar 03, 2009

    Wouldn't it be great if there was some sort of "family tree" of every individual ticket used? A way to track it from creation until redemption? I believe we would all be surprised as to how close we were actually all related and, post-printing,  where the money for the inititial "wholesale"  ticket purchases were coming from.

    It remains Capitalism in its finest/ foulest. Supply and demand. People (wealthier people than I) will pay the $1254.02. Someone will, and as long as there is someone willing to spend that amount, there is going to a person/ entity/company/ corporation trying  to make their monies go farther.

    Aren't we all?

    I'm trying to make my money go farther in other areas ("Sorry, Mrs. Smith, but it's going to be $200 more than expected...it's the economy, Y'know?") so I can afford to buy tix to see my favorite bands and pay for $8.00 beers, $20 parking and escape from this bleak economy for just 120 minutes.

    At least weed prices  are consistent.

    "

  7. 363
    hooterville wrote:

    06:11 AM, Mar 03, 2009

    this is silly...this is how every experience is with ticketmaster. whats the story?  Anyone who has ever bought a ticket from ticketmaster for a show that is even slightly popular has this experience every time.

  8. 2
    St Jimmy wrote:

    06:53 AM, Mar 03, 2009

    TO TICKETALTERNATIVE:

    Are you the VP or CEO of Ticketmaster????

  9. 363
    hooterville wrote:

    07:08 AM, Mar 03, 2009

    Ticketmaster ?   quite possibly the worst and most corrupt company in America.

  10. 119
    Rock N Roll Postman wrote:

    07:28 AM, Mar 03, 2009

    I think tickets should go on-sale at Ticketmaster outlets an hour or two prior to the online sales. That way the Die Hard fans could still camp and have best choice of seats.  Then the rest of the general public and online scalpers can get a shot at whats left, after the real fans have their tickets.

  11. 6
    nodiggity wrote:

    07:29 AM, Mar 03, 2009

    Couple of points here. First off the if the theatre holds 3000 people so there were probably about 1000-1500 tickets actually on sale. Part went on sale during the presale process and the other part is being held back for promoters, the artist and by the venue. So technically you are fighting with a couple of thousand of people all over North America to get about 1500 tickets max. And if everyone in is pulling up 6 tickets each which was the max there were probably about 200 people who got tickets. And as far as the ticketexchange is concerned the majority of those tickets are being sold by ticketmaster, the venue or cohen's management itself. Although they wont admit it that is why every ticketexchange usually has the best seats in the house. Reason being is that they are never even released to the general public. Instead they put them straight up on the ticketexchange a couple of minutes from when the onsale happens and the tickets are sold out. Artists and their management started realizing how big the secondary market was and decided just to resell the best tickets themselves. Believe it or not it is the truth. It is one of the ticket industries best kept dirty little secrets. The funny thing is ticketmaster keeps saying it is the ticket brokers, it is the ticket brokers. Lets think about this for one second. If ticket brokers are buying the tickets and putting them on ticketexchange as ticketmaster claims, then why wouldnt they just sell them on their own websites. In order to sell them on ticketexchange the brokers would be paying tm a 15% fee for the service. Either they are terrible business men or someone is lying to us. If I had a ticket broker business I think I would like to save myself the 15% and just sell them on my own website for free, wouldnt you?? Here is the article talking about artists selling their own tickets:

    www.ticketnews.com/Ticketmaster-TicketsNow-meeting-analysis-artists-are-reselling-their-own-tickets68178921

  12. 3
    Haddage wrote:

    07:31 AM, Mar 03, 2009

    Check out TicketAlternative's #6:

    "6. Even if you get bad seats, you can always sell them!"

    He's actually promoting buying a ticket you have no intention of using, then reselling it. Way to go, faceless Ticketmaster employee.

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