Now Showing: 9,078 Artists | 61,803 Events

The Concert Hotwire™

Like Pollstar on Facebook Facebook | Follow Pollstar on Twitter Twitter | Help / FAQ | Send Feedback
Average Ticket Prices
Dailey & Vincent $21.66      Rascal Flatts $40.43      Hank3 $19.64      George Lopez $59.95      Asking Alexandria $23.98      Matt White $13.00      Slightly Stoopid $30.09      Infected Mushroom $22.61      Portugal. The Man $17.02      Brandi Carlile $31.48      Buddy Guy $48.03      Deadmau5 $44.71      Matt And Kim $22.29      Imagination Movers $32.68      Paul Simon $78.15      Gillian Welch $30.35      Journey $53.18      Zeds Dead $21.42      Chicago $54.59      Macklemore $14.04      Peter Frampton $42.87      The Pretty Reckless $14.64      Jason Isbell & The 400 Unit $17.22      City and Colour $29.47      Saving Abel $17.62      Brendan James $13.01      Judas Priest $51.01      Chris Isaak $46.52      Steve Earle $39.46      Janet Jackson $92.69      Straight No Chaser $38.38      Jack's Mannequin $29.21      Jason Aldean $35.00      Snoop Dogg $39.78      B.B. King $56.24      Def Leppard $51.07      Steve Miller Band $49.65      "Winter Jam" $10.00      Indigo Girls $37.74      Mike Epps $51.37      Bassnectar $31.66      MercyMe $11.78      Sugarland $47.19      We Came As Romans $18.27      Lucinda Williams $36.22      Keith Urban $56.17      Mystic Roots Band $14.31      James Taylor $65.80      Pink Floyd Experience $32.49      Paper Diamond $16.23      
See all average ticket prices

My Second Date With Ticketmaster (Or Never Kiss On The First Date)

05:02 PM, Monday 3/9/09 15 |   |

Well, it’s been exactly one week since I documented my attempt to buy Leonard Cohen tickets through Ticketmaster. What a difference seven days makes.

First, let’s talk a little about last Monday’s post. (Bear with me here, this story has a happy ending.) I had hoped going public with my experience would attract some attention (not to mention allow me to vent my frustration). But no one here at Pollstar was quite prepared for your overwhelming reaction.

The piece has been read by an amazing number of people. As a matter of fact it’s our number two story so far this year – right behind the Nine Inch Nails / Jane’s Addiction tour announcement – and it’s still gaining.

Many of you had some pretty strong opinions about the subject. Some folks sympathized, but seemed resigned to having to live with a less than perfect system.

Hairbandfan23 wrote: Sorry to hear about your ticket experience, but ticketmaster sucks and they are blood sucking thieves that steal your money, however there is no way around it. It really is the root of all ticket evil, but if you want to see a concert, you have to pay the thieves to see your band.

Wow. And I thought I was a little upset.

Other people offered advice, like TicketAlternative, who helpfully wrote a very detailed guide to online ticket buying that was longer than my original post, and kindly provided this capsule version of that guide.

1. Make sure you’re already on the event page.
2. Make sure you’ve already created an account and are logged in.
3. Have your credit card handy.
4. Keep refreshing the page until tickets become available for purchase.
5. Decide ahead of time which seats you’re willing to take. Don’t decide on the fly.
6. Even if you get bad seats, you can always sell them!

That last hint is my favorite. In the first place, I don’t want bad seats (who does?). Second, TicketAlternative is encouraging me to do one of the things that more than likely made it impossible to get tickets in the first place – scalp, er, reselling tickets. Plus, if they’re bad isn’t there a chance I’ll get stuck with them?

A couple of you thought the entire thing was silly. Like Hooterville, who wrote:

Anyone who has ever bought a ticket from ticketmaster for a show that is even slightly popular has this experience every time.

Exactly my point. Glad you were paying attention.

The most interesting comments of all, however, might just be the ones that came from people who appear to have an inside knowledge of how the process works and peeled back the curtain a bit for us.

Nodiggity wrote: Couple of points here. First off the theatre holds 3000 people so there were probably about 1000-1500 tickets actually on sale. Part went on sale during the presale process and the other part is being held back for promoters, the artist and by the venue. So technically you are fighting with a couple of thousand people all over North America to get about 1500 tickets max. And if everyone is pulling up 6 tickets each, which was the max, there were probably about 200 people who got tickets.

Let’s rewind a bit and look at this statement: “…there were probably about 1000-1500 tickets actually on sale.” If that’s true, can someone please tell me how it’s okay that less than half the venue is actually available to the general public? And doesn’t that also back up the public’s assertion that the system is rigged against them? Moving on:

And as far as the ticketexchange is concerned the majority of those tickets are being sold by ticketmaster, the venue or cohen’s management itself.

There’s a lot more to this statement, but you get the jist. And again I ask – this is okay how?

I have to admit, it was nice to see that Ticketmaster had some defenders too. One in particular, LunchBox, passionately defended the company, gave us some lessons on basic economics, pointed out that TM performs a necessary function – like it or not – and made friends with Roswellite13.

Which brings us to this morning, when tickets for Leonard Cohen’s April 10 and 11 shows at the Nokia Theatre L.A. Live in Los Angeles went on sale and I repeated my experiment.

Because I really want to see Cohen, I decided to follow a few of TicketAlternative’s tips. After all, it couldn’t hurt, right?

I signed on at 9:55 a.m., navigated to the show’s page and kept hitting refresh once a minute. Promptly at 10:00 a.m., tickets became available. I asked for two, any price, best available section and hit enter.

And to my delight, TA’s hints apparently worked! Not only did I get orchestra seats, but someone else in the office followed the same tips at the same time and got seats in the same row.

Of course, there’s the chance Nokia L.A. Live being double the size of the Paramount Theatre and two shows going on sale at the same time are the reasons for my success. Nah. Couldn’t be.

Or maybe, as one of the conspiracy theorists in the office pointed out, Ticketmaster was waiting for me and made sure I got tickets so I’d quit griping. That’s just plain crazy. I mean, after all, TM isn’t that powerful is it?

I hear a bunch of you out there saying, “So what? What’s the point?” Well, I guess my point is this: The system is far from perfect but every once in a while – when all the planets are in alignment – it works. (Thanks TicketAlternative!)

15 Comments leave a comment

  1. 2
    TicketAlternative wrote:

    05:55 PM, Mar 09, 2009

    Hi Jim

    I'm glad I was able to help. For the record, Tip #6 was meant as a a bit of a joke, given the subject matter! Anyway, you can follow Ticket Alternative on Twitter @mytatix

    thanks

    Iain

  2. 22
    savemyfish wrote:

    06:47 PM, Mar 09, 2009

    I go to probably 20 concerts a year and buy tickets on ticketmaster amongst other sites.  Check out Live Nation's ticket site, surprisingly similar to ticketmasters but it does have a "select a seat" option that is nice because sometimes the "best available" option doesn't work out correctly.  Ticketmaster is very much a "practice makes perfect" system and also a classic "supply and demand" system.  One thing to note, I tried desperately to get Flight of the Conchords tickets in Bloomington, IN.  Sure enough, 10 AM comes around and tickets are gone.  I did some research and found out that students got a first shot and grabbed them all!  

    Finally, best ticket buying experience:  In high school Garth Brooks was coming to town.  I had to wear a numbered bright green platic wristband for over a week until the onsale date.  On the day, everyone got together in a parking lot and they called a number.  We lined up according to wristband from there.  I waited in line for 4 hours for 6 15 dollar tickets to see him.  It was unreal.  If anything you should look into ticket prices and service fees.........

    Thanks for sharing the story!   Keep up the great work everyone at Pollstar!

  3. 3
    dirge25 wrote:

    08:04 PM, Mar 09, 2009

    I must admit that I am one of the people completely opposed to the underhanded and unethical practices of Ticketmaster.  My best point to date (and this is just one of many) would revolve around a Psychedelic Furs concert.  Ticketmaster listed the show and I bought tickets online from them.  Of course, I paid all of the spiked "convenience" charges.  Two days after my purchase, I went to the band's official website to find disturbing news.  The official site stated that my Houston concert date was neither confirmed nor endorsed by the band.  There would be no Houston show.  EXCUSE ME!?!?  A few days passed and my tickets arrived in the mail.  The same day, Ticketmaster posted a "show cancellation" online.  Really?  Can a show be canceled that WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN?  Here's the rub.  Ticketmaster automatically refunded my ticket purchase MINUS ALL OF THEIR FEES.  I called and was repeatedly told that they "could not" refund their fees because they provided a service and were not in control of the stated show cancellation.  This is fraud.  This is robbery.  This is a complete scam.  They had no right to sell tickets to a show that was never going to happen and then steal my money for something that they fabricated.  It is an outrage that they can get away with this kind of practice again and again.  I have run into show cancelations before and lost some money on the fees.  I can almost understand that, but my example is a different issue entirely, and I find it unacceptable that Ticketmater is allowed to treat people this way.   It seems there is nothing anyone can do to keep them in line.  I avoid them at all costs now.  I go out of my way to drive to venues to buy tickets directly or buy them through other outlets.

  4. 22
    savemyfish wrote:

    08:34 PM, Mar 09, 2009

    Dirge25 - Check your credit card - if you bought them online they should refund the full amount.  I've had a lot of shows get cancelled for any number of reasons and received a full refund from TM - including service charges.  Also, I for one don't have a huge issue with service fees.  It's not easy to supply tickets to a venue, and the band isn't going to pay for it.  The thing I don't get is why the service charges increase on higher priced tickets, but are still high on lower priced tickets.  Oh well.  It might be a monopoly, but thats the only way it can work, logistically

  5. 1
    E-VILLE wrote:

    10:33 PM, Mar 09, 2009

    Hello.

    Yes this Ticket Exchange is quite a problem, as is scalpers on e-bay, who show up minutes after a event is sold out with way overpriced tickets (scalping is not aloud, so you are normaly bidding on a artist "keychain/sticker"b for way too money, that just happens to come with a pair of tickets to your event!).

    It's also hard when the same tickets you buy online (with you doing all the work, and also pick up the ticket yourself from a ticket both, and your subjected to a additional 10/20$ "service" charge), you can buy from a local music shop for a service charge of usually only 1$ in Edmonton Alberta Canada anyway, and these are the same ticketmaster tickets you would normally buy?

    However, except for smaller show's, ticketmaster dose not provide these tickets to local music shops, essentialy making ticketmaster your only option!

    On top of this, I have had another new "ticketmaster experience" this past week!

    Normally you just log onto ticketmaster, they have of your creditcard and mailing/billing information. However, for security purposes, you must now still enter all of your information (even though you have a account, at least in Canada anyway), this is no problem with me, they give you enough time, and security is important!

    However, when you try to do so, and enter your information (and it must be accurate for billing purposes!), when you look under countries, Canada is not there!

    Seriously, They do not list Canada as a country, I tried calling ticketmaster a couple times, I finally had to pretend a had some tickets lost/stolen to actually talk to someone, I let them know that this problem was inhibiting Canadians from buying tickets... they said I should talk to my creditcard company... cause they apparently can fix Ticketmasters website?

    May be fixed by now, but WOW, what a gong show this has been, they are just getting worse every year that goes by.

    Anyways, thanks for letting me rant, I think we really do need some other options besides Ticketmaster.

    E-Ville

  6. 16
    Roswellite13 wrote:

    05:44 AM, Mar 10, 2009

    Jim -

    Glad you got the tickets you wanted.  You're right, TicketBastard is a hit and miss situation and is still very far from perfect but it's pretty much the only one we have.  With a little practice, determination and patience you can get the tickets you want.  The problem with most people is they don't have the practice.  People like TicketAlternative and me who go to a dozen or more shows a year are way ahead of the game but we use our superior knowledge for good, not evil

    Final Ticket Tip:  Check Pollstar daily for shows in your area.  You'll usually get a heads up before anyone else.   Honestly, I get asked about tickets all the time and this is the first thing I tell them.

  7. 104
    BrokenHalo wrote:

    09:20 AM, Mar 10, 2009

    I am one of the people completely opposed to the underhanded and unethical practices of Ticketmaster. Like most banks i believe TicketMaster and Livenation should go under and someone bring back TicketTron. i have had the same problems with Ticketmast and Livenation as "dirge25" has. Most of the time i buy my tickets through Ebay because they are the exact seats and location im looking for. Due to my location (Lake Arrowhead, Ca.) i can only attend certain concerts. I wish i made millions of dollars and be the boss like Jim Otey and request days off. But i have a set sechedule. So im hopeing i'll get tickets for NIN at Irvine, Marilyn Manson Tix in July 12th and god willing good seats for Depeche Mode. But i will keep my American Express card close by to fork over triple the face value of these tix on Ebay.

  8. 125
    Emerson Biggens wrote:

    09:28 AM, Mar 10, 2009

    It's amazing to me that this truest MONOPOLY has been allowed to function as they have, for as long as they have. I guess congressional lobbying really does pay off, and WE all pay for it in the end.

  9. 6
    Funky D wrote:

    09:48 AM, Mar 10, 2009

    Congrats, now you know the secrets of how to get your tickets while being ripped off at the same time! Ticket "Slave" Master it is still a giant rip off of music fans around the world (and canada). When will fans and press help put a stop to this monopolistic money grab? Why do we HAVE to pay 25% of a ticket price for their "convenience?" Music lovers unite!

  10. 27
    mrshark wrote:

    10:51 AM, Mar 10, 2009

    I am happy for you.    

      Ticketmaster  is still screwed up.   They provide a service and I understand that but again there fees are out of hand for the normal person.

        Eventually only the rich and powerfull will be able to attend these events cause they will be the only ones who will have the money to pay.

       Hopefuly acts will catch on and start there own way of selling tickets, so us normal people will be able to afford to go.  

  11. 229
    Evster wrote:

    11:50 AM, Mar 10, 2009

    It seems to me that the most unethical thing about the business model of Ticketmaster and Livenation (at least as far as what's visible to the consumer) is the fact that the "convenience fee" is a percentage of face value. Since when does it cost them more to print a $200 ticket than a $20 one? If they can't figure out how to survive on a flat $5 per ticket fee then they don't deserve the public's respect. OF COURSE they'll continue to charge whatever they can get away with, and regardless of whether or not TM and LN merge, at the level of the individual show, they'll continue to have us by the balls. My solution? Let TM and LN merge contingent on an agreement to cap fees at X% or X$, whichever is less. Any thoughts on what those Xs should be? 20% or $5 is my best shot.

    -Evan

  12. 1
    oasisarah wrote:

    02:04 PM, Mar 10, 2009

    if you want to increase your chances, join the artist's mailing list and/or fan club and get in on the presale. more often than not it's free, and you get to do the whole dance twice! (well, once, if all goes well the first time)

    and speaking of scalpers, i *really* hate it when they sell/auction tickets that haven't gone on sale yet. something about that just isn't right. it's like water flowing uphill.



Artists Mentioned in this article