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Reznor Weighs In On TM/LN Merger

05:24 PM, Monday 3/16/09 14 |   |

Nine Inch Nails frontman Trent Reznor has never been one to hold his tongue when he has an opinion on something.

Unlike Bono, who appears to be taking the ostrich approach to the subject, and Eagles frontman Don Henley, another outspoken musician who has been strangely silent, Reznor has laid out his views on the proposed Live Nation / Ticketmaster merger for the whole world (including LM/TM) to see.

I have to say, it’s refreshing to see someone with a true insider’s perspective lay all the cards on the table like this. And I’m pleased to say Reznor and I seem to have come to the same conclusion about at least one aspect of this issue. More about that later. Here’s what Trent had to say on the NIN Web site.

As we approach on-sale dates for the upcoming tour, I've noticed lots of you are curious / concerned / outraged at the plethora of tickets that somehow appear on all these reseller sites at inflated prices - even before the pre-sale dates. I'll do my best to explain the situation as I see it, as well as clarify my organization's stance in the matter.

NIN decides to tour this summer. We arrive at the conclusion outdoor amphitheaters are the right venue for this outing, for a variety of reasons we've throughly considered*. In the past, NIN would sell the shows in each market to local promoters, who then "buy" the show from us to sell to you. Live Nation happens to own all the amphitheaters and bought most of the local promoters - so if you want to play those venues, you're being promoted by Live Nation. Live Nation has had an exclusive deal with TicketMaster that has just expired, so Live Nation launched their own ticketing service. Most of the dates on this tour are through Live Nation, some are through TicketMaster - this is determined by the promoter (Live Nation), not us.

(* I fully realize by playing those venues we are getting into bed with all these guys. I've learned to choose my fights and at this point in time it would be logistically too difficult to attempt to circumvent the venues / promoter / ticketing infrastructure already in place for this type of tour. For those of you about to snipe "it's your fault for playing there, etc... " - I know it is.)

This is exactly what I meant when I wrote that Live Nation has an extraordinary amount of control when it comes to U.S. venues. Reznor was forced to do things the company’s way – even down to where NIN would sell tickets – if he wanted to play these venues.

Next, Trent shared his thoughts on secondary ticketing:

Now we get into the issue of secondary markets for tickets, which is the hot issue here. The ticketing marketplace for rock concerts shows a real lack of sophistication, meaning this: the true market value of some tickets for some concerts is much higher than what the act wants to be perceived as charging. For example, there are some people who would be willing to pay $1,000 and up to be in the best seats for various shows, but MOST acts in the rock / pop world don't want to come off as greedy pricks asking that much, even though the market says its value is that high. The acts know this, the venue knows this, the promoters know this, the ticketing company knows this and the scalpers really know this. So...

The venue, the promoter, the ticketing agency and often the artist camp (artist, management and agent) take tickets from the pool of available seats and feed them directly to the re-seller (which from this point on will be referred to by their true name: SCALPER). I am not saying every one of the above entities all do this, nor am I saying they do it for all shows but this is a very common practice that happens more often than not. There is money to be made and they feel they should participate in it. There are a number of scams they employ to pull this off which is beyond the scope of this note.

StubHub.com is an example of a re-seller / scalper. So is TicketsNow.com.

Again, this is ground we’ve covered before. So has the Wall Street Journal and a number of other publications. But Reznor does something here that a lot of artists (and journalists) haven’t done so far – offer a solution. And he and I are in agreement on the fix and the possible reason it hasn’t been adopted.

Here's the rub: TicketMaster has essentially been a monopoly for many years - certainly up until Live Nation's exclusive deal ran out. They could have (and can right now) stop the secondary market dead in its tracks by doing the following: limit the amount of sales per customer, print names on the tickets and require ID / ticket matches at the venue. We know this works because we do it for our pre-sales. Why don't THEY do it? It's obvious - they make a lot of money fueling the secondary market. TicketMaster even bought a re-seller site and often bounces you over to that site to buy tickets (TicketsNow.com)!

Simple right? Admittedly there would be a few details about a system like this to work out, like how to ID tickets that are given as gifts and how to handle refunds if you find you’re unable to see a show well in advance, but it could be done.

As a matter of fact, something similar is already used for the U.K.’s Glastonbury Festival, where fans who want to attend the event are required to submit a photo as part of the pre-registration process to prevent them from buying multiple tickets.

I believe Reznor is right on the mark when he said TM hasn’t done this because “…they make a lot of money fueling the secondary market.” But I’ll go him one better. Is it also possible the practice hasn’t been adopted by the company (or demanded by artists and their teams) because it might mean fewer sold out shows?

What do I mean by that? Well, we know there’s a whole industry out there that does nothing but buy tickets in order to resell them. If TM adopted a system where it was basically one ticket per person, a large chunk of the tickets that get sold on speculation during onsales might never get sold at all.

When brokers (or ordinary scalpers for that matter) buy big blocks of tickets, TM and the artist have made their money already. It doesn’t matter if anyone ever uses that ticket or not. It’s the broker who eats the loss if it goes to waste.

Reznor goes on to explain exactly how NIN handles its presale tickets and admits to having considered taking what he calls the “greedy pricks” route before deciding it didn’t feel “like the right thing to do – simple as that.”

And then he makes a prediction that has actually been floating around the industry for a number of years.

My guess as to what will eventually happen if / when Live Nation and TicketMaster merges is that they'll move to an auction or market-based pricing scheme - which will simply mean it will cost a lot more to get a good seat for a hot show. They will simply BECOME the scalper, eliminating them from the mix.

Finally, Reznor makes a point I believe I’ve read somewhere before.

Don't buy from scalpers, and be suspect of artists singing the praises of the Live Nation / TicketMaster merger. What's in it for them?

What indeed?

Read Trent Reznor’s complete letter on the Ticketmaster / Live Nation merger here.

14 Comments leave a comment

  1. 4
    namlek wrote:

    08:36 PM, Mar 16, 2009

    Tom Waits did paperless ticketing on his last tour where you had to bring ID and the credit card used to purchase the tickets to the venue the night of the show and present them to get in. limit 2 per customer. Artists should be aware of this and demand it because in the end they have the power because they are the product.  Get Up Stand Up!!

  2. 633
    Studebaker Hawk wrote:

    08:54 PM, Mar 16, 2009

    YEA,WELL NIN COME OUTTA THE PUNK SCHOOL SO NO WONDER THEY WOULD BE ASHAMED AT HOW DISRESPECTFUL TO REAL FANS THIS BS IS.THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE BEST SEATS WITHOUT BEING AN ATTORNEY OR RICHIE RICH WHOEVER IS A DISGRACE.ITS GONNA BLOW UP ON THESE TURDS AND MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BOYCOTT THEM ESPECIALLY WITH THIS ECONOMY.ALL THE ADVOCATES OF THIS TEND TO BE OLDER PEOPLE WITH A HIGH PAYING JOB AND ARE TRYING TO TELL THE KIDS OF TODAY THIS IS FAIR.ROCK MUSIC WAS ALWAYS FOR THE YOUTH AND TO TELL KIDS WHO ARE AT BEST STRUGGLING TO GET THROUGH COLLEGE AND HAVE LITTLE SPENDING MONEY LUXURY WILL SEE HOW THEY'VE BEEN SOLD UP THE ROAD BY THESE WEASELS AND MATERIALISTIC MAFIA.  

  3. 102
    axilla wrote:

    09:35 PM, Mar 16, 2009

    There was a time when some bands explicitly handled all their ticketing, and they told the venues to shove it.  If your big enough you can do that.  and as much as I love TR he has enough weight to do that as well. . .

  4. 3
    Mikebrc wrote:

    12:02 AM, Mar 17, 2009

    Namlek, AC/DC did a tour with paperless ticketing as well. The writer fails to mention that Ticketmaster offers that option to artists like Reznor who want to make scalping as difficult as possible. The question is why they don't use it.

  5. 2
    jetsetsteph wrote:

    04:35 AM, Mar 17, 2009

    Mikebrc wrote that Ticketmaster has the "paperless ticketing" option.  I believe that was referring to their e-tickets.  He also said that makes scalping more difficult and wonders why more people don't use it.

    Here's why (at least why I don't):  Ticketmaster charges $10-$15 in service charges per ticket.  Now, they've offered e-ticketing, it's yet another charge that they tack on, at $2.50 a ticket.  Why would I pay more money to them for something that saves them money to begin with?  For those who can't follow...I've used my computer to buy a ticket, and I've used my paper and my ink.  This is much cheaper than calling them on the phone or buying a ticket at a phyical building.

    Next question:  What would stop me from printing a ticket off and selling it to someone else, at a super-inflated price?  With all due respect, the e-ticket don't make it any more difficult.

    There is only one way to stop scalping:  Don't buy tickets from scalpers.  If they can't sell their tickets, then they will, eventually, go away.  But, people always want to go to a concert (and, for some reason, are willing to pay top-top dollar for it.)  The artists could very easily start changing the way the industry works to this:  We're going on tour.  We are planning to play City A, which has Venues 1, 2, and 3.  Submit proposals to each venue, with the stipulation that the artist (his/her/their management) will take care of ticket sales and keep Ticketmaster out of it.  Not many artists care enough to learn about this part of the business.

    I was wondering why when I go to Live Nation's site and click on "Buy Tickets" for larger shows, I always am redirected to Ticketmaster.  Now, I know.

  6. 59
    Saneaux wrote:

    06:18 AM, Mar 17, 2009

    Yeah, Tom Waits' paperless tickets seemed to work last summer. And it wasn't as big of a hassle as I originally thought it would be. I got tickets in the 2nd row for face value. however, a myriad of what ifs were running through my mind as i drove to the venue (what if i lose my id? what if i would have lost my credit card at any point leading up to the show? ect.)...no system is going to be perfect. when demand is high and supply is limited, someone is going to get fucked in the end...

  7. 3
    RB2vox wrote:

    07:10 AM, Mar 17, 2009

    AC/DC's system was to do the best 20% or so of the venue as paperless.  You show up at the venue with the credit card used to buy, swipe the card at the entrance, a little slip prints at the gate with your seat locations, you walk in the gate.  That is the ultimate scalper-killer, and I believe it's the best possible solution.  As to why it isn't more common, this is a new technology and not every venue has the ability to do it.  Plus it takes an artist who demands such service, and few care enough to do so.  As the writer mentions, most artists only care about the show selling out.  Most who care beyond simply selling out care mainly about why they don't get a piece of inflated scalper prices.

  8. 16
    Roswellite13 wrote:

    09:24 AM, Mar 17, 2009

    Trent said a lot of the same things I've been saying and I'm not even in the industry.  Check my previous posts and you'll see I mentioned presenting ID at will call and the artists/management are the ones to sell the secondary tickets to be "SCALPED".

    Unfortunately he can't fight the system the way it's set up.  Otherwise he wouldn't be able to bring this awesome show any where near me.  It's even more unfortunate that some artists insist on becoming and staying filthy rich and find it necessary to back the merger.  Seriously.  Exactly how rich is rich enough?

  9. 104
    BrokenHalo wrote:

    09:45 AM, Mar 17, 2009

    Once again we see the greed of performers, i have been a long time fan of Nine Inch Nails. i have seen them perform in every Los Angeles show since '99 but do to these rediculous prices i will be unable to go. i don't believe its NIN's fault at all, i know for a fact its the selfishness of Janes Addictions!!! I guess they're really addicted to money. Perry Farrell or Fairy Perry has always been full of himself. I remember seeing Nine Inch Nails at the same Venue (Irvine Meadows) in '06 for half the price!!! im doing as Trent Reznor requested and not buying tickets from Ebay or any scapler. Hopefully, if there is justice in this country, LiveNation and Tickertmaster Merger will not go through.

  10. 2
    jacque la snake wrote:

    10:20 AM, Mar 17, 2009

    I am with the idea of ID for tickets. So you people that want to pay me extra cash to go to a show I am going to will have to arrive at the show at the same time as I do. Otherwise, I will keep you cash and smoke some Live Nation/Ticketmaster tobacco with it. Oh wait, I just want to hear some music.

  11. 363
    hooterville wrote:

    12:24 PM, Mar 17, 2009

    boy a lot of stupid people read Pollstar.....ID and cc required to pick up all tkts at will call???.....ya, 60 minute lines at will call ,,,thats a brilliant idea. God, STOP WHINING. If you dont want to pay DONT GO!..... the market will adapt to what people are willing to pay.  No wonder you cant afford to go to concerts....many of you are really stupid

  12. 239
    Scout wrote:

    12:37 PM, Mar 17, 2009

    ^^^^^^ That guy is correct on several points.



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