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Turbulent Nation

11:01 AM, Thursday 7/22/10 9 |   |

The Live Nation Entertainment investors meeting at Irving Plaza in New York July 15 was grand theatre on a Shakespearean scale, with Michael Rapino and Irving Azoff in the lead roles.

It had props like “slide No. 9” and plot points like “three months to stardom.” Rather than bolstering confidence in LYV stock, it included investors frantically e-mailing their offices early in the presentation with orders to sell or short the stock as everyone in the room watched the price dive in real time.

It was a “stock massacre,” as one publication put it, with a “discordant tone” according to the Wall Street Journal’s Martin Peers.

And maybe it was so. Rapino noted from the stage that the sobering numbers was a buzz kill, and he pointed out that investors in the room were e-mailing to their home offices the bad news after the ninth Powerpoint slide showed flat revenue for the past two years. Before the two hour-plus presentation wrapped, LYV stock had dropped 16 percent – a quick loss of $322 million in market value.

Live Nation could have released its pending 2Q numbers quietly rather than try to provide investors with future guidance. If Live Nation brass had expected the webcast presentation to suppress investor fears, or even to bolster the stock, it was rudely disappointed.

But putting aside the din of Wall Street and the dramatic press coverage, the presentation included some major policy changes that will affect the industry in very significant ways. If Live Nation holds to its guns, there will be changes ranging from all-in ticket pricing to reducing North American volume and putting more emphasis on global markets with better profit margins.

Jason Garner, Live Nation’s CEO of Global Music, made it clear that the financial realities of this season could initiate a drop in artist guarantees, leading to lower ticket prices, in turn leading to more butts in seats. The new mantra was that talent prices and ticket costs need to come down because consumers are demanding it. Meanwhile Live Nation chief Rapino, pointing the finger at the media, said acts are getting spooked about touring in the fourth quarter as he projected a further decline through the end of the year.

Also, Hova was in the house: The presentation kicked off with an appearance by Jay-Z, who has a 360 deal with Live Nation, and figured prominently in an upcoming bullet point.

“Jay-Z doesn’t care if he’s playing Paris or Denver,” Rapino said. “We do.”

That’s because the typical deal structure in North America has much smaller promoter profit margins whereas international deals can be much more lucrative. The company acknowledged it makes little or no money off ticket revenue as a promoter and that most of Live Nation’s profits are coming from ancillary revenue streams like popcorn and parking.

Garner also referred to Jay-Z while discussing artist guarantees – noting that some artists deserve what they charge while others need to reassess.

“It’s not a U2 or a Lady Gaga problem,” Garner said. “[It’s] that middle segment of the bands … that’s trying to have that same $50 or $60 price that Jay-Z has.”

Live Nation also promises to be more consumer friendly and the company will start refunding the service fees on all tickets to canceled shows – a fee that was previously not returned to the consumer. To make up for that and other lost ticketing revenues, the company’s new building contracts will attempt to include fees for season ticket sales that had been previously excluded.

The company also wants to start collecting service fees on all tickets bought at venue box offices – the one place consumers previously could go to circumvent many of the added fees.

Meanwhile, when times get tough you can depend on the high cost of tour production becoming the bogeyman of the industry.

“The consumer is going to be just as happy with a stage set that may fit in 12 trucks as opposed to 22,” Azoff said. That’s very true if you can get the artists to accept a leaner stage show.

Live Nation also said it expects to remove the onerous $2.50 surcharge that accompanies the “print-at-home” feature of Ticketmaster. This is a byproduct of the merging of the two companies: Much like how Ticketmaster’s LiveDaily.com has disappeared because of redundancy, so will the surcharge disappear to match the policy already in place at Live Nation Ticketing.

More significantly, Live Nation expects dynamic pricing to be prevalent by next year. Azoff noted the supply-versus-demand model was implemented at an Eagles show at Arco Arena in Sacramento – a show that sold out and increased gold-circle revenue while nosebleed seats were as low as $28.

A slide that was on the screen early in the presentation apparently had little immediate impact but made a lot of news once it was trumpeted by industry commentator Bob Lefsetz, which in turn was mentioned in the Wall Street Journal.

The slide presented a new model for success in rock ‘n’ roll – a model that begins with a no-name artist posting a video to YouTube, then signing with a promoter (presumably Live Nation), then playing at arenas – all within three months.

Now if they could make that scenario happen, Live Nation stock would be trading up there with Berkshire Hathaway.

Click here to read the Wall Street Journal article (subscription may be required).

9 Comments leave a comment

  1. 12
    mcferglestein wrote:

    11:25 AM, Jul 22, 2010

    "The slide presented a new model for success in rock ‘n’ roll – a model that begins with a no-name artist posting a video to YouTube, then signing with a promoter (presumably Live Nation), then playing at arenas – all within three months. Now if they could make that scenario happen, Live Nation stock would be trading up there with Berkshire Hathaway."

    That's basically what happened with Justin Bieber, so obviously they smell dollar signs and want to cash in on it as soon as possible by flooding the market with a bunch of soundalikes. This is not new, this is standard music industry practice. Remember Nirvana & Grunge? White Stripes & low budget garage rock? Backstreet Boys & boy bands? Well...Bieber & crap.

  2. 14
    spazo wrote:

    11:48 AM, Jul 22, 2010

    Feel sorry for Live Nation who makes money on Beer-12.00 a can,  Hot Dogs-$8.50, Nachos- $7.50. It's sickening! They just want more!! GREED!!!

  3. 229
    Evster wrote:

    11:56 AM, Jul 22, 2010

    What concerns me most is their plan to start slapping fees on box office sales. If it's IMPOSSIBLE to purchase a ticket at face value, then it's a clear example of false advertising and should be prosecuted as such. END OF STORY. Besides, back when the facilities were independently owned (ahh...the good ol' days), there maybe was the argument that the facility was imposing the fee. But if LiveNation controls the whole operation, why wouldn't the cost of paying the box office staff be folded into the face value? The whole idea of paying for the convenience of phone or web purchases is that you're paying for the luxury of sitting at home in your pajamas instead of lining up at the box office. Well, if you're willing to concede the best seats (i.e. those not pre-guaranteed to the re-sellers), by not being online right at 10AM on Sunday, then you should at least get the benefit of saving a few bucks!

  4. 128
    El Perro wrote:

    12:09 PM, Jul 22, 2010

    Live Nation.  The company should go out of business and their executives should be homeless, lice-ridden and infected with a drug-resistant strain of syphilis.

  5. 148
    Thunder Road Warrior wrote:

    07:24 PM, Jul 22, 2010

    Hey Evster - thanks for expressing my exact same thoughts on this matter.  

  6. 106
    billwould wrote:

    11:42 PM, Jul 22, 2010

    Live Nation, Ticketmaster & Irving Azoff...what the heck do you expect? Predatory greed spreading exponentially. Is this karma or simply capitalism at its finest? Give people a good show at a fair price and everyone profits not just the corporate golden boy.

  7. 1
    ktown wrote:

    07:09 AM, Jul 23, 2010

    Live Nation, please be kind to our over-stressed wallets.  Really the onus is on you to provide an exciting concert experience, regardless of the artist because once we've decided to go, its all the hassles at the venue we remember - like rarely actually getting through the gate in time to see supporting acts because of security lines, etc.  And what ever happened to the price is the price?  Every time I think of buying a ticket, I'm turned off by the thought that there is a huge pile of service charges on top of what you say the show will cost.  Must be real tough to be a scalper these days :)

    You're on the right track though...smaller scale, better quality product, all-in ticket pricing.  Honestly I don't care how much you charge for popcorn & beer.

    Cheers...burp (oops)

  8. 160
    Livewolf wrote:

    07:27 AM, Jul 23, 2010

    Live Nation/Ticketbastard is just getting what's been coming to them for years.  Take your last gasp & DIE!!  Your greed has ruined the chance for any average Joe to see an event.  No one can afford the ticket prices anymore, nevermind the fees which are exorbitant these days.  Isn't it a LITTLE bit of a conflict in interest that Azoff is also the manager of several major bands?!?  A band manager as head of the ticketing agency; no wonder he's gouging everyone.  He gets twice the dough from all this.  

  9. 127
    tikigrzz wrote:

    09:09 AM, Jul 27, 2010

    That's the story across the board... I bought $20 tickets and paid a $9.50 fee per ticket and then shipping on top of it.  Paying 150% of the advertised price is not right.  If it is 2 - 4 tickets, no problem.  I ended up buying 16... ugh!



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