Pollstar Prop 8 Opponents Seeing Stars

re: Prop 8 Opponents Seeing Stars

forprop.consuela34@gmail.com — Sun, 31 May 2009 19:18:14 GMT

I would first like to say that a blog is a place for opinions not a place to bash each other just because of different beliefs. For Hotterville making the comment that Religious people are morons maybe a comment like that deserves a good look in the mirror.

I have yet to find the relevance to Concert news, just because you have placed Artist names in the article does not make this concert related news. Where are the artist comments to protect Marriage between a Man and a Woman? I think an article like this maybe needs to be placed on the writers Facebook or twitter page not placed in a section reading Concertwire.

This issue is one that was taken to the people and the people have spoken which is why we vote in the first place. There will always be another election but for now can we please stop crying about this issue. Just because people against prop 8 say it isn't fair. Well I say it isn't fair that I have to hear about this everyday, I say this isn't fair that my children ask me what are gays? That is not something I grew up with and I am saddened that my children have to grow up with Gays and Gay supporters crying in their ear and trying to get them to believe a certain way. What I say is fair and what You say is fair can be different but there is nothing wrong with that. I honestly beleive this is not an equal rights issue but for those who do please look back at our history. African Americans were not equal in one day, Women were not equal in One day. It took years. So please stop with the Marches and Rallys and Hate Messages against people who do not want gay Marriage, We All know how you feel and you make it very clear everyday. Why dont we focus on more important issues at hand. Instead of all this energy for allowing Gay Marriage why dont we try to make an actual difference.i.e a cure for cancer or money for research.

America is awesome because we are all allowed to have our own opinion and we vote according to those beliefs.

Gays have the right to be gay and take part in that right everyday.

You do not see people against the first African American president marching or protesting because we American's Have Voted. And Just For The Record I was Against our President but Like Most Americans I have to live with it because I understand my voice is not the only one to be heard.

I am sad that in Our State I open my News paper or Turn on My News Channel to see again the protest against this topic. Cant we just get over it and wait until the next election? I'm not saying don't have beliefs but can we please stop crying about it? Boohoo you cant get married, Why is this an issue of equal rights? What about my rights to never want to hear this topic again? Just because people want to Protect Marriage between a man and a Woman does not mean that everyone hates Gays, we just want to Protect what Marriage actually is. Allowing Gay Marriage would make Marriage a joke, in which case why don't we get rid of the drinking age, or the smoking age, or the driving age? Wouldn't that fall into the same "EQUAL RIGHTS" Everyone has the right to be equal and drink,smoke, drive when ever they want?

I will agree with Livewolf in saying that people were not born this way, it is a choice that Gays have made. You have the choice to either be gay or be straight. African Americans were born African American, Women were born Women those are about equal rights?

Again I would like to see pollstar.com be what it is about, which has nothing to do with Prop 8.

re: Prop 8 Opponents Seeing Stars

funcpl2741054@yahoo.com — Fri, 29 May 2009 19:05:04 GMT

there is nothing wrong with this article or blog....its fun and has 5 pages of comments....its pretty obvious from the title what it's about....ive got a novel idea for everyone who doesnt want to read it....don't open the article. please feel free to skip to the articles about what kind of underwear britney spears or chris brown wears ...whichever you prefer

re: Prop 8 Opponents Seeing Stars

HSLono@gmail.com — Fri, 29 May 2009 05:34:52 GMT

I would not have used the term "proclivity" referring to Mr. Otey, because the Prop 8 question has earned the support of many of us "straights." The issue, as it was raised before the Cali court, was not about the rights of gays to marry. it was about whether prop 8 should have gone to the state legislature rather than to a winner take all vote as a proposition. It's not over. I do agree, however, with posters here that c'mon, don't shove it down people's throat on a respected MUSIC site. It's not LOGO or the Advocate. And outside of California, it's not even terribly relevant. I'm coming in from Vegas and will see Jim Otey and other Californians in the middle.

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duckworthpslats@hotmail.com — Fri, 29 May 2009 04:31:54 GMT

Mr Otey makes no bones about his sexual proclivity and provides passionate reasons for same-sex marriage by quoting “celebrities.” While some “celebrities” believe they speak for the people, like most politicians, they do not!

Is the job of a news reporter, whether for AP, UPI, Reuters or Pollstar, to provide opinion? No it is not. A reporter’s job is to report – and this he did with the bulk of his article. But when reporters write opinions, they’re called OPINION PIECES. I applaud him for his research, but c’mon, HuffingtonPost.com? And Jim, you have to give both sides.

California passed Proposition 8. That’s a fact. Those who were against Prop 8 need to get over it and move on to the next election and try again. That’s what we do in America. If you don’t like the way it is, you vote to change.

And speaking of voting to change… Apparently, Change We Need just didn’t cut it when it came to same-sex marriage.

Look at the final voting numbers: African Americans, energized by Barack Obama's presidential bid, boosted their numbers at the polls this year to 10 percent of the state's electorate, up from 6 percent in 2004. And they’re the reason Prop 8 passed as they voted overwhelmingly in favor of Proposition 8 (70%). Latinos favored it with 53% of their vote. Among white and Asian voters, 49% voted for the measure. (Sacramento Bee)

It’s obvious that Mr. Otey and at least two co-workers are leaving comments for and against. Personally, I go to Pollstar.com to check on concerts and music news. While I read with interest all of the comments and found many amusing, I can’t imagine the owners of Pollstar envisioned the comments sections to become blogging sites for their employees.

I wonder who’s minding the store?

re: Prop 8 Opponents Seeing Stars

dmcfa@live.com — Fri, 29 May 2009 03:29:44 GMT

Whether it's legal or not, practicing homosexual men (even once since 1977) and women who have sex with a homosexual man (within 1 year) will not be able to donate blood. The American Red Cross will not take it. Too much risk of blood contaminates and STDs.

Note this rule only applies to homosexual men and not women (unless they had sexual intercourse with a homosexual man. Nature unfortunately DOES discriminate.

re: Prop 8 Opponents Seeing Stars

nicolep@pollstar.com — Fri, 29 May 2009 02:50:13 GMT

Izzy Izznt, do you realize how much music meshes with politics these days?

You know why I don't watch the Weather Channel or any channel that supplies sports scores? Because I'm not interested in that. If you're not interested in ANYTHING the music industry touches; politics, tv, movies, electronic phenomena such as Twitter... what are you doing here? Read the tour stats/figures and more professional news stories on PollstarPro... don't visit THIS website if you don't like it. Act your age and grow up.

Face it, the world is evolving, technology is changing things and growing the business. Teenagers/young adults are becoming your coworkers, your web developers, your AT&T cell phone salesmen, your major magazine journalists, your MTV video jockey, your CONCERT GOER and make up a large number of emerging artists. If you guys don't like it, take it back to PollstarPro.com. I say kudos for Pollstar.com and Pollstar as a company trying to make themselves younger and more involved. It's not like the 45+ people who are interested in the music industry now are going to be around forever. You have to be willing to let new ideas in or else Pollstar, among other music industry related companies, are going to die out.

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parkbench559@gmail.com — Fri, 29 May 2009 00:22:06 GMT

diet pepsi, I couldn't care less if kanye west wrote it. Many many other readers apparently agree that Pollstar is a music site and not a personal political blog. I and obvs many others come here for MUSIC news and chatter. It makes as much sense for Pollstar to take up political blog writing as it does for the Weather Channel site to carry World Cup Soccer scores. But actually the funniest part of this whole string is watching the enforcers insist that this an opinion site while slamming anyone with an opinion counter to the "official" line.

re: Prop 8 Opponents Seeing Stars

jonathanh@pollstar.com — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:07:11 GMT

Izzy Izznt, I read over this article again. I may be mistaken, and I will stand corrected if I am, I don't really see where his opinion shines through with this piece. He left it to the entertainers who are affected by this. Entertainers who feed the industry that this company follows are talking about it, I don't see why it can't trickle down. As for being a 'friend', I am only stating how I feel. I don't know what you are referring to.. I want my opinions heard as much as the next guy.

With all that said, I do understand to a degree what you all are saying about the whole blog thing. I just don't think it's relevant, especially since blogging has become a part of this site. A few of the writers here inject a bit of their own beliefs every now and then. I've seen it. I don't know why this is any different. Is it because of the writer? :)

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tonym@pollstar.com — Thu, 28 May 2009 20:06:15 GMT

If Pollstar had an opnion page or blog page, I'd have no problem with this post. Angie's post stated " Other writers make off-handed comments in their articles about things that don't matter nearly as much." I couldn't agree with you more!

As far as being relative? I don't know about that. Maybe if the story were written as a story and not an opinion or as a blog, I'd go for that. But it wasn't written as a news story. That is the whole problem here folks. I looked up the story on Miley and Radiohead, it is written as a story, not opinion.

By the way, I'll scroll wherever my scroller wants me to go!

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heatherj@pollstar.com — Thu, 28 May 2009 20:03:50 GMT

This issue affects a broad range of people - musicians, promoters, agents, included - that is why it is considered "music news" here. It is also "entertainment news," "political news," "education news," "legal news," whatever. It is NEWS, period, and affects people of all walks of life, the music industry most definitely included. That is why it is here. Because some of this country's most famous performers are being told they do not have the same rights as others, and they're speaking out about it. That's news, man.

And by the way, millionaireintraining, I'll bite: maybe Pollstar should run an article about artists who support Prop. 8, just to give "equal time." But I challenge you: find one. 'Cause I have never heard of one.

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parkbench559@gmail.com — Thu, 28 May 2009 20:01:54 GMT

The insistence that a blog = opinion isn't exactly correct, and I *did* look it up. NYGTO attacking commenters for disagreeing with his story under a moniker is what's not cool. But back to the purpose of a blog:

en.wikipedia.org/.../Blog

A blog (a contraction of the term weblog) is a type of website, usually maintained by an individual with regular entries of commentary, descriptions of events, or other material such as graphics or video. Entries are commonly displayed in reverse-chronological order. "Blog" can also be used as a verb, meaning to maintain or add content to a blog.

Many blogs provide commentary or news on a particular subject; others function as more personal online diaries. A typical blog combines text, images, and links to other blogs, Web pages, and other media related to its topic. The ability for readers to leave comments in an interactive format is an important part of many blogs. Most blogs are primarily textual, although some focus on art (artlog), photographs (photoblog), sketches (sketchblog), videos (vlog), music (MP3 blog), and audio (podcasting). Micro-blogging is another type of blogging, featuring very short posts.

There's more but an important distinction is the definition of a "corporate blog" and the distinction between that and an "personal blog."

It does seem the line has been erased here, but the insistence by the author and his friends that BLOG = OPINION is not correct.

That said, I vehemently opposed Prop. 8. But I don't come here to read about it. I come here to get AWAY from politics. It's not Politicstar.com.

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JohnCotton@LiveNation.com — Thu, 28 May 2009 19:55:35 GMT

Seriously, I don't remember anyone complaining when Pollstar does stories that are about Kanye West's BLOGS. Kanye is angry about this, Kanye has changed his mind about that, Kanye tweeted something or an imposter tweeted for Kanye.

People seem to only complain about these blog articles when they disagree with the subject.

re: Prop 8 Opponents Seeing Stars

jonathanh@pollstar.com — Thu, 28 May 2009 19:37:33 GMT

acne, again it is all relative. it relates in some way. maybe it's not as strong as you wish it'd be, but it's there. this was fun though, i hope you learn the function of 'scroll' next time.

re: Prop 8 Opponents Seeing Stars

nicolep@pollstar.com — Thu, 28 May 2009 19:35:04 GMT

I agree completely, diet pepsi.

And to millionaireintraining, I think it's important for this to be discussed. A lot of musicians and artists are impacted by this decision and it's nice to see them standing up for the common civilian, as usually a celebrity's opinion holds a lot of weight. Perhaps if these celebrities' opinions held more weight, a large chunk of the population in America wouldn't feel so alone. Spreading these opinions might also give a little "comfort" to help those affected by Prop 8 along in their struggle for equal human rights.

Who said "Mr. Otey" has his own "agenda"? Obviously at the beginning of this article, he stated that he has an OPINION to share, and as a writer for Pollstar, is he not allowed to share it? Other writers make off-handed comments in their articles about things that don't matter nearly as much. Is it not true that by you posting a comment in response to this that clearly shows bigotry, you have your own agenda as well? And isn't it also true that by you stating how much you'd like to see commentary from artists who are in SUPPORT of this cruel and ridiculous movement, you'd like Pollstar.com to post compositions in agreement with YOUR agenda? You guys have already won for now, isn't that enough?

People who are opposed to CIVIL RIGHTS and EQUALITY need to step outside the pig pen they've placed themselves in and quit being so closed minded.

re: Prop 8 Opponents Seeing Stars

tonym@pollstar.com — Thu, 28 May 2009 19:33:01 GMT

Diet Pepsi,

then call it a blog and NOT NEWS! For crying out loud. By the way I didn't read the story about Miley and Radiohead because I don't read the stories on this site very often. Looks like I'll continue NOT to read stories here again. What a freakin joke this "NEWS" page is.