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Prop 8 Opponents Seeing Stars

05:31 PM Wednesday 5/27/09 |   |

Yesterday’s decision by the California Supreme Court not to overturn Proposition 8, which amended the state’s constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman, is proving unpopular with celebrities.

First, as most people are aware, a big part of blogging is offering an opinion. And I’m not going to pretend I don’t have one on this subject. But rather than stand on a soapbox and preach, I’ll let these people speak for those of us who are waiting our turn for equality. And whether they’re gay or straight, they’re angry and determined to be heard.

Some of the artists with opinions on the subject will come as no surprise. Like comedian and talk show host Ellen DeGeneres, whose marriage to partner Portia De Rossi is one of 18,000 the court declared to still be valid.

Margaret Cho, who’s made a career of being blunt about her opinion, tweeted simply:

“I blame miss california.”

Sir Elton John, who has been in a British civil partnership with David Furnish since 2005, told AccessHollywood:

“When you see places like Iowa saying yes, there’s now five states in America (where same-sex marriage is legal). California is supposed to be a progressive state. It defies logic to me. I’m very disappointed.”

DeGeneres made a prediction with her tweet:

“One day, when everyone is treated with full equality, we’ll look back and realize how wrong this was.”

Kathy Griffin, whose relationship with her 89-year-old mother is hilariously documented on her show “My Life on the D List,” announced via Twitter the pair would be joining protesters in West Hollywood.

Melissa Etheridge was in a particularly garrulous mood, telling Reuters she and partner Tammy Lynn Michaels, with whom she had a commitment ceremony in 2003, felt like second-class citizens living in legal limbo:

“My wife and I consider ourselves to be married, we would like that to be recognized some day civically. What if this was the 1960s and it was like, ‘OK these interracial marriages can be married but these can’t.’ You can’t put this back in the bottle.”

Not content to stop there, the singer issued a statement taunting Prop 8 supporters:

“Those full of hate and fear will surely be disappointed that 18,000 same sex couples will be living in wedded bliss, kissing their spouses goodnight, checking off those little ‘married’ boxes on all those forms we fill out nowadays. That’s really going to drive them crazy. I am hopeful as I see more and more states turn to the inevitable future of equality, California will get there. Change takes time.”

But perhaps the most vocal critic of the court’s decision so far is Matchbox Twenty frontman Rob Thomas, who took to Huffington Post to express his support for homosexuals (“I’m a straight man with a big gay chip on my shoulder”) and then blasted those who would hide behind the church to support their opposition to same-sex marriage by providing a little history lesson:

I believe that America is a great nation of even greater people. I also believe that anyone who says that this is a "Christian nation" has RHS, or revisionist history syndrome, and doesn't realize that most of our founding fathers were either atheist or at least could see, even in the 1700s, that all through Europe at the time, religion was the cause of so much persecution that they needed to put into their brand new constitution a SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE so that the ideals of a group of people could never be forced onto the whole.

(I also find it funny when people point out to me that it says "one nation under god" in our pledge of allegiance, not realizing that this was an addition made in 1954 during the communism scare of the McCarthy era. It's not surprising, however, knowing that these same people would punch me in the mouth if I called Jesus a Jew.)

Actually, the founding fathers were deists, but you get the point. Thomas then calls on others outside the LGBT community to stand with him:

But this isn’t a paper about religion. How could it be? Since we clearly have a separation of church and state, how could a conversation about laws have anything to do with religion at all? I’m writing about basic civil rights. We’ve been here before, fighting for the rights of African Americans or women to vote, or the rights of Jewish Americans to worship as they see fit. And, just as whites fought for African Americans, or Christians for Jewish Americans, straight people must stand up and be a voice for gay people.

Strong stuff. Although I’ve gotta say, while there’s no question Thomas’ intentions are sincere, that last part feels like it needs some kind of inspirational music behind it.

Whatever your opinion on this topic, one thing is for certain: you’d better get used to hearing about it because both sides are gearing up for a colossal battle that’s not likely to be over soon.

Read Rob Thomas’ anti-Prop 8 blog on HuffingtonPost.com.

Comments

  1. forprop8 wrote:

    12:18 PM, May 31, 2009

    I would first like to say that a blog is a place for opinions not a place to bash each other just because of different beliefs. For Hotterville making the comment that Religious people are morons maybe a comment like that deserves a good look in the mirror.

    I have yet to find the relevance to Concert news, just because you have placed Artist names in the article does not make this concert related news. Where are the artist comments to protect Marriage between a Man and a Woman? I think an article like this maybe needs to be placed on the writers Facebook or twitter page not placed in a section reading Concertwire.

    This issue is one that was taken to the people and the people have spoken which is why we vote in the first place. There will always be another election but for now can we please stop crying about this issue. Just because people against prop 8 say it isn't fair. Well I say it isn't fair that I have to hear about this everyday, I say this isn't fair that my children ask me what are gays? That is not something I grew up with and I am saddened that my children have to grow up with Gays and Gay supporters crying in their ear and trying to get them to believe a certain way. What I say is fair and what You say is fair can be different but there is nothing wrong with that. I honestly beleive this is not an equal rights issue but for those who do please look back at our history. African Americans were not equal in one day, Women were not equal in One day. It took years. So please stop with the Marches and Rallys and Hate Messages against people who do not want gay Marriage, We All know how you feel and you make it very clear everyday. Why dont we focus on more important issues at hand. Instead of all this energy for allowing Gay Marriage why dont we try to make an actual difference.i.e a cure for cancer or money for research.

    America is awesome because we are all allowed to have our own opinion and we vote according to those beliefs.

    Gays have the right to be gay and take part in that right everyday.

    You do not see people against the first African American president marching or protesting because we American's Have Voted. And Just For The Record I was Against our President but Like Most Americans I have to live with it because I understand my voice is not the only one to be heard.

    I am sad that in Our State I open my News paper or Turn on My News Channel to see again the protest against this topic. Cant we just get over it and wait until the next election? I'm not saying don't have beliefs but can we please stop crying about it? Boohoo you cant get married, Why is this an issue of equal rights? What about my rights to never want to hear this topic again? Just because people want to Protect Marriage between a man and a Woman does not mean that everyone hates Gays, we just want to Protect what Marriage actually is. Allowing Gay Marriage would make Marriage a joke, in which case why don't we get rid of the drinking age, or the smoking age, or the driving age? Wouldn't that fall into the same "EQUAL RIGHTS" Everyone has the right to be equal and drink,smoke, drive when ever they want?

    I will agree with Livewolf in saying that people were not born this way, it is a choice that Gays have made. You have the choice to either be gay or be straight. African Americans were born African American, Women were born Women those are about equal rights?

    Again I would like to see pollstar.com be what it is about, which has nothing to do with Prop 8.

  2. hooterville wrote:

    12:05 PM, May 29, 2009

    there is nothing wrong with this article or blog....its fun and has 5 pages of comments....its pretty obvious from the title what it's about....ive got a novel idea for everyone who doesnt want to read it....don't open the article. please feel free to skip to the articles about what kind of underwear britney spears or chris brown wears ...whichever you prefer

  3. HSLono wrote:

    10:34 PM, May 28, 2009

    I would not have used the term "proclivity" referring to Mr. Otey, because the Prop 8 question has earned the support of many of us "straights." The issue, as it was raised before the Cali court, was not about the rights of gays to marry. it was about whether prop 8 should have gone to the state legislature rather than to a winner take all vote as a proposition. It's not over. I do agree, however, with posters here that c'mon, don't shove it down people's throat on a respected MUSIC site. It's not LOGO or the Advocate. And outside of California, it's not even terribly relevant. I'm coming in from Vegas and will see Jim Otey and other Californians in the middle.

  4. Duckworth wrote:

    09:31 PM, May 28, 2009

    Mr Otey makes no bones about his sexual proclivity and provides passionate reasons for same-sex marriage by quoting “celebrities.” While some “celebrities” believe they speak for the people, like most politicians, they do not!

    Is the job of a news reporter, whether for AP, UPI, Reuters or Pollstar, to provide opinion? No it is not. A reporter’s job is to report – and this he did with the bulk of his article. But when reporters write opinions, they’re called OPINION PIECES. I applaud him for his research, but c’mon, HuffingtonPost.com? And Jim, you have to give both sides.

    California passed Proposition 8. That’s a fact. Those who were against Prop 8 need to get over it and move on to the next election and try again. That’s what we do in America. If you don’t like the way it is, you vote to change.

    And speaking of voting to change… Apparently, Change We Need just didn’t cut it when it came to same-sex marriage.

    Look at the final voting numbers: African Americans, energized by Barack Obama's presidential bid, boosted their numbers at the polls this year to 10 percent of the state's electorate, up from 6 percent in 2004. And they’re the reason Prop 8 passed as they voted overwhelmingly in favor of Proposition 8 (70%). Latinos favored it with 53% of their vote. Among white and Asian voters, 49% voted for the measure. (Sacramento Bee)

    It’s obvious that Mr. Otey and at least two co-workers are leaving comments for and against. Personally, I go to Pollstar.com to check on concerts and music news. While I read with interest all of the comments and found many amusing, I can’t imagine the owners of Pollstar envisioned the comments sections to become blogging sites for their employees.

    I wonder who’s minding the store?

  5. dmcfa wrote:

    08:29 PM, May 28, 2009

    Whether it's legal or not, practicing homosexual men (even once since 1977) and women who have sex with a homosexual man (within 1 year) will not be able to donate blood. The American Red Cross will not take it. Too much risk of blood contaminates and STDs.

    Note this rule only applies to homosexual men and not women (unless they had sexual intercourse with a homosexual man. Nature unfortunately DOES discriminate.

  6. angie wrote:

    07:50 PM, May 28, 2009

    Izzy Izznt, do you realize how much music meshes with politics these days?

    You know why I don't watch the Weather Channel or any channel that supplies sports scores? Because I'm not interested in that. If you're not interested in ANYTHING the music industry touches; politics, tv, movies, electronic phenomena such as Twitter... what are you doing here? Read the tour stats/figures and more professional news stories on PollstarPro... don't visit THIS website if you don't like it. Act your age and grow up.

    Face it, the world is evolving, technology is changing things and growing the business. Teenagers/young adults are becoming your coworkers, your web developers, your AT&T cell phone salesmen, your major magazine journalists, your MTV video jockey, your CONCERT GOER and make up a large number of emerging artists. If you guys don't like it, take it back to PollstarPro.com. I say kudos for Pollstar.com and Pollstar as a company trying to make themselves younger and more involved. It's not like the 45+ people who are interested in the music industry now are going to be around forever.  You have to be willing to let new ideas in or else Pollstar, among other music industry related companies, are going to die out.

  7. Izzy Izznt wrote:

    05:22 PM, May 28, 2009

    diet pepsi, I couldn't care less if kanye west wrote it. Many many other readers apparently agree that Pollstar is a music site and not a personal political blog. I and obvs many others come here for MUSIC news and chatter. It makes as much sense for Pollstar to take up political blog writing as it does for the Weather Channel site to carry World Cup Soccer scores. But actually the funniest part of this whole string is watching the enforcers insist that this an opinion site while slamming anyone with an opinion counter to the "official" line.

  8. diet pepsi wrote:

    02:07 PM, May 28, 2009

    Izzy Izznt, I read over this article again. I may be mistaken, and I will stand corrected if I am, I don't really see where his opinion shines through with this piece. He left it to the entertainers who are affected by this. Entertainers who feed the industry that this company follows are talking about it, I don't see why it can't trickle down. As for being a 'friend', I am only stating how I feel. I don't know what you are referring to.. I want my opinions heard as much as the next guy.

    With all that said, I do understand to a degree what you all are saying about the whole blog thing. I just don't think it's relevant, especially since blogging has become a part of this site. A few of the writers here inject a bit of their own beliefs every now and then. I've seen it. I don't know why this is any different. Is it because of the writer? :)

  9. acne wrote:

    01:06 PM, May 28, 2009

    If Pollstar had an opnion page or blog page, I'd have no problem with this post.  Angie's post stated " Other writers make off-handed comments in their articles about things that don't matter nearly as much."  I couldn't agree with you more!

    As far as being relative?  I don't know about that.  Maybe if the story were written as a story and not an opinion or as a blog, I'd go for that.  But it wasn't written as a news story.  That is the whole problem here folks.  I looked up the story on Miley and Radiohead, it is written as a story, not opinion.  

    By the way, I'll scroll wherever my scroller wants me to go!

  10. GreenTea wrote:

    01:03 PM, May 28, 2009

    This issue affects a broad range of people - musicians, promoters, agents, included - that is why it is considered "music news" here. It is also "entertainment news," "political news," "education news," "legal news," whatever. It is NEWS, period, and affects people of all walks of life, the music industry most definitely included. That is why it is here. Because some of this country's most famous performers are being told they do not have the same rights as others, and they're speaking out about it. That's news, man.

    And by the way, millionaireintraining, I'll bite: maybe Pollstar should run an article about artists who support Prop. 8, just to give "equal time." But I challenge you: find one. 'Cause I have never heard of one.

  11. Izzy Izznt wrote:

    01:01 PM, May 28, 2009

    The insistence that a blog = opinion isn't exactly correct, and I *did* look it up. NYGTO attacking commenters for disagreeing with his story under a moniker is what's not cool. But back to the purpose of a blog:

    en.wikipedia.org/.../Blog

    A blog (a contraction of the term weblog) is a type of website, usually maintained by an individual with regular entries of commentary, descriptions of events, or other material such as graphics or video. Entries are commonly displayed in reverse-chronological order. "Blog" can also be used as a verb, meaning to maintain or add content to a blog.

    Many blogs provide commentary or news on a particular subject; others function as more personal online diaries. A typical blog combines text, images, and links to other blogs, Web pages, and other media related to its topic. The ability for readers to leave comments in an interactive format is an important part of many blogs. Most blogs are primarily textual, although some focus on art (artlog), photographs (photoblog), sketches (sketchblog), videos (vlog), music (MP3 blog), and audio (podcasting). Micro-blogging is another type of blogging, featuring very short posts.

    There's more but an important distinction is the definition of a "corporate blog" and the distinction between that and an "personal blog."

    It does seem the line has been erased here, but the insistence by the author and his friends that BLOG = OPINION is not correct.

    That said, I vehemently opposed Prop. 8. But I don't come here to read about it. I come here to get AWAY from politics. It's not Politicstar.com.

  12. JohnnyCotts wrote:

    12:55 PM, May 28, 2009

    Seriously, I don't remember anyone complaining when Pollstar does stories that are about Kanye West's BLOGS.  Kanye is angry about this, Kanye has changed his mind about that, Kanye tweeted something or an imposter tweeted for Kanye.  

    People seem to only complain about these blog articles when they disagree with the subject.